To borrow a cliche, let's go down the rabbit hole. But on the way down, let's observe the dirt, the worms, the twists, the darkness, the sacred and the profane.

Rachel Yoder is a graduate of the Iowa English Department’s Nonfiction Writing Program, and the author of Nightbitch which has been adapted as a series for Hulu, to debut this year. The book was named a best book of the year by Esquire and Vulture, and was a finalist for the PEN/Hemingway Award for Debut Fiction.

Today's episode is a discussion with Lauren Haldeman about her new graphic novel, Team Photograph (Sarabande, 2022), and her evolution as a writer, student, mother, and artist through a career that includes two earlier books, Calenday (Rescue Press, 2014), and Instead of Dying (University Press of Colorado, 2017).